09-14-2009, 12:22 PM
To reiterate:
You may not agree, but I doubt that any other suggestion will offer more layout space while still meeting all of your requirements. You can build it in sections if necessary, too. If you truly espouse innovative thinking, I'm sure that you can see that the plan offered is both innovative and practical. Otherwise, please state your concerns. I actually thought that your recent absence here meant that you were developing trackplans for the suggested design, rather than waiting for an opportunity to be petulant. (And my latter comment is posted here somewhat reluctantly, but you previously stated that I should speak to you within the forum rather than via PM.)
Jeff, you can rise to the bait or rise to the occasion - it's your choice.
A lot of people here, including eightyeightfan1, have offered useful suggestions. You are intelligent enough to sort out those which are applicable from those which are not, and also to use your own ideas to perhaps build upon the good ones. You, as much as the rest of us, need to focus on the task at hand. Just because your original assumptions
have been shown to be unfounded is not a reason to shun practical advice.
You've been getting lots of practical advice - is none of it of use? Or do you merely wish for your friends here to jump through your suggested hoops, only to reject their performance?
And, yes, we were discussing your personal philosophy of modelling:
It would be pointless for you to build a layout that did not take those factors into consideration. However, if none of the suggestions for layout size, shape, and location suits your needs, you should first perhaps utilise some innovative thinking to come up with something more appropriate, rather than wasting your energies in pedantry.
Then we can all move on to the trackplanning stage, where your modelling philosophy will come into play.
Were I faced with your layout room restrictions, my instinct would be to seize the best of the suggestions offered, expand on them if necessary, then get on with it. The hobby is model railroading not model dithering.
Wayne
doctorwayne Wrote:I think that Stein's latest layout suggestion addresses the issue of getting the maximum layout area into your available space, while at the same time satisfying all of your concerns about access to the various doors, and about maintaining the integrity of your rented space. You have already detailed your concept of what you want in the way of track layout and operation, so I see no reason for you to further pursue the island layout concept, as it cannot offer you the opportunities of the suggested arrangement.
You may not agree, but I doubt that any other suggestion will offer more layout space while still meeting all of your requirements. You can build it in sections if necessary, too. If you truly espouse innovative thinking, I'm sure that you can see that the plan offered is both innovative and practical. Otherwise, please state your concerns. I actually thought that your recent absence here meant that you were developing trackplans for the suggested design, rather than waiting for an opportunity to be petulant. (And my latter comment is posted here somewhat reluctantly, but you previously stated that I should speak to you within the forum rather than via PM.)
MountainMan Wrote:eightyeightfan1 Wrote:Gee...Whats up MM?
You keep talking about "conservative modellers", and new and innovative ideas.
I see a lot of folks here trying to help, and you keep saying "Not good enough". Besides...won't using a pulley lift system put holes in your rented ceiling?
You keep touting innovation....lets see you come up with some "innovative and out of the box" thinking.
If your looking for something that won't ruin your security deposit, maybe a modual type design would be more to your liking. Maybe something on casters so you can roll it out the U-Haul when the time comes for you to relocate.
This kind of comment is exactly why I am reluctant to discuss anything here. Sooner or later, someone finds a reason to become insulted.
Jeff, you can rise to the bait or rise to the occasion - it's your choice.
A lot of people here, including eightyeightfan1, have offered useful suggestions. You are intelligent enough to sort out those which are applicable from those which are not, and also to use your own ideas to perhaps build upon the good ones. You, as much as the rest of us, need to focus on the task at hand. Just because your original assumptions
MountainMan Wrote:The prevailing trend is to layouts along the walls of rooms, which seems limiting and appears wasteful of space. Does anyone have any experience with the opposite type, free-standing multi-form layouts that avoid the walls? I m not referring to the classic 4 x 8 beginner's layout, nor am I referring to the very sophisticated "mushroom" layouts. In my case, I'm trying to use a room with way too many openings in walls to make an along-the-wall traditional layout easy.
have been shown to be unfounded is not a reason to shun practical advice.
MountainMan Wrote:I'm interested in practical suggestions to utilize the space that is available to me, not in discussing my personal philosophy of modeling. Is that open and honest enough for you, 88?
You've been getting lots of practical advice - is none of it of use? Or do you merely wish for your friends here to jump through your suggested hoops, only to reject their performance?
And, yes, we were discussing your personal philosophy of modelling:
MountainMan Wrote:Steam circa 1900, standard gauge, short trains due to mountain grades. One mine, one factory and one town. Freelance, and well outside of the box.
Inspiration? Emmett Brown, Nikola Tesla, Jules Verne and Isombard Kingdom Brunel. I'm not very conventional.
It would be pointless for you to build a layout that did not take those factors into consideration. However, if none of the suggestions for layout size, shape, and location suits your needs, you should first perhaps utilise some innovative thinking to come up with something more appropriate, rather than wasting your energies in pedantry.
Then we can all move on to the trackplanning stage, where your modelling philosophy will come into play.
Were I faced with your layout room restrictions, my instinct would be to seize the best of the suggestions offered, expand on them if necessary, then get on with it. The hobby is model railroading not model dithering.
Wayne